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  • 31
    Jan
    2012
    11:40pm, EST

    The Chinese want jobs, too!

    Bobby Yip / Reuters file

    Workers are seen inside a Foxconn factory in the township of Longhua in the southern Guangdong province, in 2010.

    By Adrienne Mong

    BEIJING—Last week, the New York Times published a report about working conditions at factories producing Apple products in China.  Under the spotlight was Foxconn Technology, a key manufacturer for Apple and “China’s largest exporter and one of the nation’s biggest employers, with 1.2 million workers,” responsible for churning out tens of millions of iPhones and iPads sold around the world.

    The article focused specifically on Foxconn’s Chengdu factory, where employees have complained about nonstop shifts, arduous overtime, crowded dormitories, mental health (nearly twenty workers at Foxconn have committed suicide over two years), and a hazardous working environment that's led to at least one explosion, in May 2011.

    The New York Times report was also published in Chinese in the well-respected business and economic news weekly Caixin, where Chinese readers could post comments in response to the story. 

    Since it was released over the Lunar New Year festival, a week-long holiday which brings the country to a rare standstill, reaction seemed relatively muted.  As we write this, there were 650 comments on Caixin’s Weibo page (a Twitter-like Chinese microblog)--compared to the 1,770 comments on the Times’ website. 


    A cynical reaction in China
    On Caixin’s Weibo site, some of the comments condemned Apple’s corporate practices, but many also criticized the Chinese government for failing to protect its own citizens.

    “Labor protection and social security is not only the responsibility of corporations.  If the government had regulations and supervised the corporations, then they cannot be that irresponsible,” wrote one person. 

    A significant number also captured a sentiment that was cynical but perhaps very pragmatic of many Chinese: 

    “If they don’t work for Apple, those workers don’t have anywhere to shed their sweat and blood.”

    “Why not kick Apple out?  Tens of thousands of people will lose their jobs.“

    “They are criticizing Apple only, because Apple is a huge target.  The migrant workers hired by state-owned enterprises here can hardly be as good as Apple’s.  Take care of your own workers before you pay attention to other people’s suppliers.”

    All of which was bolstered by something this week that explains--in part--why the response in China might not be as outraged as those in the West might expect.

    Workers want those jobs
    On Monday, tens of thousands of people lined up outside a job agency to apply for an estimated 100,000 new jobs Foxconn is seeking to fill at its factory in Zhengzhou, the capital of central Henan province. 

    Foxconn wants to double its current workforce of 130,000 at the Zhengzhou plant, which it opened last year.  The facility already churns out 200,000 iPhones a day and is part of Foxconn’s grand plan to make Zhengzhou the world’s largest smartphone manufacturing base.

    The basic starting salary advertised--according to a report posted on M.I.C. Gadget, a blogsite about tech and other related matters in China—is 1,650 yuan a month ($261), which includes dorm housing and food.

    The pay is lower than comparable salaries Foxconn pays workers at its Shenzhen factory in southern China.  But that may be a sacrifice Henan workers are willing to make initially. 

    With a population in excess of 100 million, Henan is China’s most populous province.  A fifth of them are migrant workers who travel widely to find jobs in the country’s more prosperous regions like the south or coast.

    With additional reporting from Bo Gu.

    196 comments

    Ok. I am Chinese student studying in the US. Let me confirm that : $261 per month including housing and meals...it is definitely NOT bad at all for workers that level. In China, high school education is NOT compulsory (compulsory education stops at grade 9), kids DON'T go to high school unless they  …

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  • 19
    Sep
    2011
    6:38pm, EDT

    China's soaring costs could help American jobs

    There is now evidence that amid soaring Chinese costs, jobs are beginning to move back to the United States. NBC's Ian Williams has this report from Dongguan, Southern China - an area once dubbed the workshop of the world.

    By Ian Williams, NBC New Correspondent

    DONGGUAN, China – For Bill Green it was more than just a routine visit to his Dongguan factory.

    The thuds, bangs and sparks of the factory floor were the same; the metal cut, twisted and welded in the usual shower of sparks. It had all become very familiar from five years of visiting factories in China, outsourcing his production of industrial cabinets, chasing lower costs.

    For years he had generally been happy with the results, but no longer.

    "If they don't sand the stuff down, that will come back through the damned paint and we'll have an issue here," he said, running his finger along the edge of one unfinished cabinet.

    Later, hunched over a laptop, the factory boss at his side, his frustration came pouring out.

    "This is unacceptable, we can't have this," he complained. "This is rust coming out from here."

    The factory boss looked to his chief engineer who became defensive, "We can't fix every problem. It takes too much manpower," he complained.

    The boss said Green was being too demanding.

    "None of these problems are hard to fix," Green shot back. "We work to these standards all the time in the United States."


    Green owns a metal-processing factory in Mobile, Ala., where his workforce shrunk from 60 to just 25 as more work, on cabinets and also on lamps, was outsourced to China.

    But after this trip he made a decision – to bring at least some of that work back home.

    "Everybody knew you could get anything made in China, and make money on it back in the United States. But things are changing," he told me later. "Prices are going up, and its making it harder to import stuff from here."

    More than that, attitudes were changing. "Used to be when you'd come over here everyone wanted your business. Now it’s harder and harder to get them to cooperate with you."

    So Green is planning to shift the final assembly of cabinets back to Alabama, and will divide much of the lamp production between India and the U.S.

    Is China as the ‘world’s factory’ done?
    The area Green was visiting, around Dongguan in southern China, has been called the workshop of the world, China's export powerhouse.

    There are tens of thousands of factories, sprawling for miles from the Hong Kong border, their stained peach and white tiled walls lining the motorways. Laundry hangs in the windows of the adjacent dormitories that have been home to millions of migrant workers, the foot-soldiers of China's export machine.

    Tao Dong, chief Asia economist for Credit Suisse in Hong Kong, tells NBC's Ian Williams that, due to soaring labor costs, many Chinese exporters are turning down orders from Europe and the United States. "China as the world factory, the best time is behind us," he said.

    For 17 years, Tao Dong, now chief Asia economist with Credit Suisse, has been covering its breakneck growth. But when I met him in Hong Kong recently, he told me, "China as the world factory, the best time is behind us."

    Labor costs are soaring by 40 percent a year, as migrant workers are becoming pickier, since there are more job opportunities at home. Also China's one-child policy means there is no longer such a huge pool of young, dexterous workers. Bank lending is tightening and China's currency is also appreciating by around 6 percent a year against the U.S. dollar, not quickly enough for US and European policymakers, but sufficient for factories on low margins to feel the pain.

    "This is the first time I've seen so many Chinese exporters collectively turning down orders from the U.S., from Europe," Dong told me. "They're bleeding," he said. "Costs are rising so much. They are just not profitable. They are actually dying."

    As Green discovered, it wasn't the costs alone. Labor shortages, and what he suspected to be corner-cutting by the factories were impacting quality, and he found himself paying as much to have a cabinets put right in the U.S., as he was paying for the original product in China.

    "We've reached a point where the risks are not worth the rewards," he told me.

    ‘Poor quality is expensive’
    Green's agent in Dongguan is Ben Schwall, a veteran import-export man, and one of the most astute observers of the local economic scene as you could hope to meet. He's become a regular point of call when I visit the area, and this time Schwall told me his job was becoming much more complicated.

    Factories are responding to cost pressures by demanding bigger orders or larger down payments, he told me, or abandoning exports and looking to the growing domestic market.

    "A lot of the problems we have now are delivery times and the cutting of corners. It's more than just price. All these things end up having a cost, though. Poor quality is expensive, angry customers are expensive. Missed shipments are expensive,” said Schwall.

    But he thinks it’s too early to write an obituary for China Inc. The supply chain is still second to none, he said, and the latest trade figures show exports from China overall still to be strong.

    That said, Schwall's just got himself a five-year visa for India. "I'm also planning to go to Vietnam in the near future to look at some factories. Offshoring, outsourcing, no longer means just China. There are other places we need to look, and, yes, there's also the
    American solution of bringing some products back to the U.S.”

    Exporting U.S. goods to China?
    Before he returned to Alabama, Green was faced with an intriguing offer.

    One factory boss said he wanted to re-orientate his production of lamps towards China's domestic market. "We've got a lot of rich people now," he said, "and we want to offer them a complete American flavor." He explained that middle-class Chinese associated American products with higher quality, and asked whether Green would work with him to bring U.S.-style lamps to the Chinese market.

    The proposal was short on detail, but Green found it tantalizing all the same. "It's a fantastic idea," he said. "I didn't realize the market was ready at this point. We are going to pioneer it."

    Back at my hotel, there was an unusual sight from my 26th-floor window. I could actually see the factories of Dongguan, sprawling for miles below me. I'd never seen it so clear. Usually it’s just a smudge through a thick miasma that hangs over the factories.

    The lobby too was different, almost empty. Usually it’s packed with buyers from every corner of the planet on their phones and iPods, waiting to be whisked away to factories by a fleet of mini-buses. The pianist was still there half way up a spiral staircase, but serenading just two or three lonely buyers beneath the lobby's artificial palm trees.

    Further evidence of a slowdown at the factories? Schwall warned me not to read too much into it. The summer's always quieter. The Christmas buyers hadn't yet arrived.

    But something was certainly changing. "Five years ago it was a no-brainer. If you wanted variety and low costs on a whole range of goods, you'd come here. Now it’s a lot more complicated," Schwall told me.

    For American business people like Green, it’s no longer a one way street. There are new opportunities. And Green returned to Alabama preparing for the first time in years to create new jobs – in America. 

    505 comments

    THANK YOU Mr. Bill Green for bringing jobs back to AMERICA. I did catch that a portion of the lamp business may go to India...PLEASE...bring all your business back and lets only hope that more of CORPORATE AMERICA will follow your lead and do the same.

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  • 15
    Nov
    2010
    5:07am, EST

    For these interviewees, job search ends with a hiccup

    Netease

    Young job candidates in the southwestern city of Chongqing were found drunkenly passed out on a popular square on November 8th, 2010 after a “liquid lunch” with a potential employer

    By Ed Flanagan, NBC News

    BEIJING - In college I once attended a career week event nicknamed, “Don’t Order the Spaghetti,” which was supposed to educate us soon-to-be graduates on how to approach a business lunch with a potential employer.

    None of it would have prepared me for the binge drinking round of the interview process.

    In a story put out by Netease (Click here for rest of gallery) last week, 4 young men – 2 of whom are due to graduate from university next year – in China’s southwestern metropolis of Chongqing were found passed out drunk on a popular city square after a boozy lunch with their leader-to-be.

    Following their second round of interviews, the company manager invited the four interviewees out for lunch, where the men pulled out all the stops to impress their potential boss to be:

    Eager to impress the boss, they competed in drinking more alcohol. In the end they were wasted. At first, they just sat on the ground chatting, but soon three of them lied down and passed out. The fourth guy leaned against a telephone pole, standing unsteadily, occasionally muttered some words out his mouth [sic] and shivered non-stop.

    No news yet on whether any of them got the job.

    China has a long history of heavy work drinking and “liquid lunches” that has been a source of embarrassment in recent years. Just last year, a senior police officer in the southern city of Shenzhen was declared a revolutionary hero after he “died in the line of duty” binge drinking at a banquet with government officials.

    Don’t expect a similar hero’s return for these poor boys from their families.

    Thanks to China Hush for the link.

    27 comments

    Two things I've never mixed: 1. my life 2. my job My lunch time is part of my life. It's my break in the day where I eat in peace and take a mental pause from work. If I cant have that then I dont bother with lunch at all. For all those whose life is their job or job is their life...enjoy your heart …

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