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Subscribe to RSSBEIJING – A 13-month-old child was fatally crushed by a car containing Chinese officials after they went to collect a fine from the parents for breaching the country’s one-child policy, according to Chinese state media.
The incident reportedly occurred Monday in Dongshantou village near Wenzhou city in the eastern province of Zhejiang, after a delegation of 11 officials from the Ruian Town birth control office drove out to get the unspecified fine.
This did not go down well with the father, Chen Liandi, 39, and the conversation got heated.
According to a briefing given by the Ruian Municipal Propaganda Department and reported by state media, the officials convinced Chen’s wife, Li Yuhong, to accompany them back to Ruian to talk over the couple’s options.
The baby was reportedly left in the hands of his father and the group got back into their cars to leave.
What happened next remains unclear – perhaps due to the politically sensitive nature of this story – but the boy was then found crushed underneath a car.
He was rushed to the Third People’s Hospital in Ruian, but could not be saved.
'You were too careless'
On China’s Twitter-like service, Weibo, users expressed frustration over the vague account given by Ruian officials and demanded more information, but no other Chinese press have printed much beyond the official government account.
For many in China, the story brings back uncomfortable memories of Feng Jiemei, who last June posted gruesome photographs of her lying in a hospital bed next to her 7-month-old aborted fetus.
Feng’s story created a social firestorm for Beijing when word got out that the 22-year-old mother had been forced to have the abortion because she did not have enough money to pay the $6,400 fine for having a second child.
“I told you, $6,400, not even a penny less. I told your dad that and he said he has no money,” a family planning official wrote to Deng in a blunt text message that quickly went viral. “You were too careless, you didn’t think this was a big deal.”
Feng was grabbed from her home and taken to a local hospital in her native Shaanxi province where she was blindfolded, thrown on a bed and forced to a sign a document she couldn’t read. Thirty hours later, her baby girl was aborted.
China has long defended its one-child policy as a way to prevent overpopulation and to help raise living standards across the country.
However, some experts in China and abroad argue that the policy has outlived its usefulness and may instead be a detriment to future growth.
Others in China have pointed out the abuses meted out in cases like Feng Jiemei’s show that it causes more social harm and have called on Beijing to remove it.
However Beijing just last month reaffirmed its support for the policy.
NBC News’ Le Li contributed to this report.
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China: One-child policy is here to stay
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I wonder if the family still had to pay the fine. Technically they only had one living child at that point.
I'm sure that those thoughts of saving them money is really helping them cope with the loss of their child.
Even though my heart breaks for this family, this was my first thought too Joe.
13 months? I know it's possible for a baby to be walking by that age, but that just sounds strange to me.
The headline is also misleading, in the article it says the baby was crushed by A car it doesn't specifically say whose car.
grrr ran out of editing time. This article sucks. It makes absolutely no sense.
Given all the news stories involving China from hacking, smog, counterfeiting goods, lead in toys, cancer in drywall, no safety controls anywhere for anything, etc. etc. etc. AND The One-Child Policy Police, it must really suck to live in China.
The Chinese sent a message murdering this child. They are subhuman and have no value for life. We should end the world with Nukes before we let the Chinese scurge take over the planet. Better dead than red.
'One Child Law' to prevent over population...hows that workin' for you China?
Imagine China's current population if they didn't have this policy. It's not the policy that's the problem, but the implementation of it. Frankly, we should all be thinking about how to humanely limit our population growth. How is our quality of life going to be in a hundred years with twice as many people on the planet? And you can kiss several more major species goodbye.
Annie, I would have to agree with you. I'm pretty sure it sucks to live in India, too, if you are anything other than a wealthy male in the upper caste.
Can you say -'irony' boys and girls ??
Actually, Rose, from what I hear it is working pretty well, since it has helped to raise China from a third-world backwater to a major power.
Forced birth control and abortion are inhuman and barbaric.
China's going to be screwed when they have 1 billion old people and 200 million workers.
@JK- Having a bunch of babies you cannot afford and then expecting taxpayers to support them is inhuman and barbaric.
Maybe that was the "fine"
1SGFitzsWife4ID: Babies start walking around nine to twelve months. So, a thirteen-month old should be walking, maybe not too steady, though.
JK,
Not to defend the actions, or what appears to be the actions of the Chinese officials, but at the rate some populations are expanding, there is no other choice.
Which would you rather see, a control of the number of children being born, or 80% of the world population starving because there are not enough resources to feed them? Honestly...
Edit...I guess I have nothing good to say about this, so I'll just keep my mouth shut.
Reminds me of the 2012 Republican primary where virtually all candidates supported banning contraception in the United States and banning most, if not all, abortions. Facism comes in all shapes, sizes, and forms but don't believe for one second that interferring with a person's reproductive rights is not worthy of full rebellion and even civil war. And Republicans wonder why they can't win the White House no matter how much money they pour into a GOP candidate. Religious beliefs are facist when free will is taken and those ideals are forced upon the population
The ethics behind the One Child Policy are interesting.
Do people's individual reproductive rights outweigh the good of the species as a whole?
It's already difficult to feed the entire world's population. Could we still do it if there were twice the number of people? What about 3 times? With Climate change, will we even be able to feed the current population in 20 years?
What about energy demands? Living space? Medical needs?
Important questions with difficult answers.
OK, Ed Flanaghan, the article mentions Chen Liandi and Feng Jiemei. Suddenly, a person by the name of "Deng" is tossed into the story. Who the heck is "Deng"? How about paying attention to detail and keeping your story coherent. Try a little editing and proofreading before publishing, Einstein.
tracontech - do you have any idea how ignorant and ridiculous you sound? The Republicans never supported banning contraception in the USA. They didn't win the election, which was months ago, so why do you continue to harp?
Ever hear the saying, "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool that to open one's mouth and remove all doubt"? Get someone with a little smarts to explain it to you.
So we should kill everyone indiscriminately because the Chinese kill a lot of people indiscriminately...
"We had to destroy the village to save it, sir."
This is a really sad story, and there's a lot that is not said here; my SPECULATION is that the officials just killed one child to 'teach the couple a lesson' and it is now being called an accident.
But then we get comments like yours..which make the whole thing seem ludicrous.
tracontech - give it a rest, already! You aren't funny. You are pathetic!
Why does it take 11 Chinese officials to collect a fine? If this were not such a tragic incident, it would sound like a Polish joke.
There is definitely something fishy about this story. A 13 month old baby did not simply end up getting crushed under a car. What kind of parent would let a baby that little crawl around outside without keeping a constant eye on them. I do not even know too many parents that would let a 13 month old crawl around on the ground to start with. i doubt we will ever know the real story about how this baby died, but I am sure there is more to it than what we are getting from this article.
Another thing I was wondering is why it took a delegation of 11 officials to go collect a fine from one couple. This also raises a lot of questions. Even if they were expecting that the father might cause some trouble I could not see more than maybe four people at most, two officials and maybe two police. The fact that they went out there with 11 people makes me think that there is more to this than just collecting a fine.
China's one child policy has left them with some problems. With only one child allowed, it has become fairly common for girls to be aborted. Boys are preferable in China because it is far more likely for a boy to be able to help support his parents when they get older than a girl. This means the it has become difficult for men in China to find wives. They are also finding that they are not going to have enough young people to support their aging population. There has been a lot of talk, even in official circles in China, about modifying the one child policy. The reality is that one child per couple will result in population contraction. Even if every child lives to adulthood you need two children per couple to maintain a stable population once you reach a steady state with the same number of people in each age group. The reason China went to the one child policy was that they had a large growth in their younger population a few decades back and were trying to prevent the trend from continuing leading to a population explosion. They had a population profile where there were far more young people and people being born than were dying. Now, after a few decades of the one child policy the demographics have shifted. It is on the verge, if not already to the point of going upside down with more people dying than being born each year. Once you factor in things like death due to illness, accidental death, murders, etc. You need to have a birth rate in the range of 2.1 children per couple in order to maintain a steady population, assuming no significant changes in life expectancy. China will need to change their one child policy within the next decade to prevent a major demographic problem and serious shrinkage of their population. The only other alternative would be if China became a more attractive place to live and they saw a significant net positive in immigration numbers with more people moving to China than moving out.
The pig explains it.
On another note, forcing a child to be aborted at 7 months is murder. Plain and simple. How can they just do that and stare at the baby struggling to stay alive until it's last breath. Not to mention it was "Doctors and Nurses" who performed it. Then say, OK, lets clean up and get some lunch!
My son was born at 7 months. He was healthy and is now in his 5th yr of college.
China is one Fk'd up Country man. Seriously...
Check it out....
What a horrible story!!! But rest assured, these scumbags will be in front of a firing squad in record time.
I personally applaud China for implementing this difficult policy. It certainly is the type of abrasive law that is going to be required from governments moving forward if we are to prolong our stay here on earth.
The population is the answer to just about all of the worlds problems. Food, energy, land, wealth disparity, disease, jobs, welfare babies, crime, etc.
Procreation needs to be regulated. With all the unfortunate welfare babies created for the sole purpose of an additional government check and all the fatherless/motherless homes...... wtf are we thinking? Majority of these children grow up to be a detriment to society.
Sorry....... it's obvious that our civilization can not properly handle a growing world population. It's time the human race looks at a sustainable future that does not derive its success from raw, unfettered growth.
Then by all means, don't have any children. But don't force that policy on others. This world can support up to 50,000,000 people. Studies have shown that to be the case. The problem is not over population, it is over consumption. When everyone wants a 3/3 house with a 2 car garage, several t.v.'s, being able to travel all over, and throwing away some 50% of your food, then you can see right there where the problem is.
I think this is what will happen in the US if the govt. gets their way. Too many liberals are in favor of this, especially since we see how many abortions are performed each year. Trouble is, no liberal wants to admit that being careless is the result of also being morally deficient. Too many liberals like to blame christians and those on right for being against abortions, but not one would consider that it is generally a liberal who "gets knocked up".
Incidentally, the dominant religion in China is atheism.
Too many liberals don't want to admit that, because they don't like the idea that people without God could be so heartless.
Can it??? Wow...... fifty million people. That's like three Superdomes full of people right?
Unfortunately, we can't even educate the 7,000,000,000 people we have now....... how on earth do you think we could ever handle 50,000,000,000?
Maybe you should skip the whole "kids" thing?
What I find extremely hypocritical about the conservative base in this country is that they don't want people to have access to abortions, but when the baby is born into an impoverished home, they are the first to complain about the safety net that supports these households. Talk about a double standard.
Yes, it would be great if every child was planned for and paid for in advance by the parents. But when in fuxing history has that ever been the status quo?
i wish everyday america would implement this rule. way too many people breeding beyond their living means. it is so wrong to do the children that way and then ask for freebies the rest of your life.
In America we don't have a problem with high birth rates causing over population. We have birth control and many people chose to have one or no children. The problem we have with over population is caused by illegal immigration. 2 to 4 million illegal immigrants enter this country every year and have been doing so for more than 30 years. This population boom has strained our Federal, State, and local social services and infrastructure. We haven't been able to keep up with the growth, we build new roads and bridges but we can't afford to fix the old ones. More prisons, schools, hospitals but we are going broke. It's time to send the Illegal immigrants back! I don't think we owe people from other countries a piece of the American pie. let them work on their own countries. If we don't get this under control we'll end up in the same boat as China. Sure we can feed a billion people but at what quality of life. 200 years from now will people read in their history books about how we were the generation that refused to read the writing on the wall and let it all go to hell ?
Check out the video over on LiveLeak. Some Chinese guy fell off his scooter onto the sidewalk, hitting his head. And for the next 5 mins people just walked around and past him. Not a single person stopped to help as this long trail of blood is is working it's way down the sidewalk...
Subhuman, no. Inhuman absolutely.
Unhappy ---
Atheism isn't a religion, retard.
@Cassandra
I dont think the fact that the one child policy exists is the reason why China has became a super power. There are more factors at play than just that. What the policy has done is bred a society that favors males over females so that girls or physically / mentally challenged children born are either killed or abandoned. Its also important to point out that often its the rural areas where this is enforced more and not the more populated cities where you would think that a policy like this would make more sense. It seems to me that while it does help to keep the population down its more of a way to keep its people down psychologically and financially.
China is an ancient and advanced society the only reason they were, what you call, a "Third World Backwater" is because their leaders kept them that way. They are much smarter than you think. They are a major power now because they sat back and waited for the rest of the world to hand them the power. Its like A slave owner handing the whip to his slave to hold for a bit because his arm was getting tired. We've sent all of our manufacturing jobs overseas and then borrowed a ton of money from them...but we're still in charge right? I mean The western world had its boom during the industrial age. Thats what we do, industry....but now its "thats what we DID and now they do"
When then by all means, let's all just keep breeding. Then we can all live in small 20' x 20' cubicle apartments that are placed on the sites of our jobs. Yes, let's take down the quality of life to just mere existing all for the purpose of creating as many humans that can fit on this world as possible.
DarkShadow1701
20x20 you're pretty optimistic. Do you really think we'll allotted that much personal space. Well at least Peta will get their wish there won't be any more meat, just soy gruel and hard tack. Maybe the water won't be too yellow.
Tea Party DownGrade: What I find extremely hypocritical as well, is that liberals are the first to introduce more people into the country through illegal immigration rather than dealing with the people we already have. Then they have the nerve to say "why was this baby born into an impoverished home, let's just kill it." And yes, what I said before still stands that most people who get "knocked up" are in fact, liberal and part of your voting base.
Admit it! And don't get mad when you make your own lives suck!
CockCheney: Time to go back to school.
"Religion" is an organized collection of belief systems, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.
Most atheists have a belief system, a cultural system and a moral value system in which they follow. While it may not be a recognized religion, it is in fact a growing one.
Interesting how people posting can be such hyprocrites. You complain about the over population, and then complain about one child that dies in some bizzare cover up story in a country whose population is over a billion. Here's my two cents, if life sucks so much for you, why live?
Because the people at MSNBC are obviously Bi-polar, that's why they post stories like this. So they can play both sides.
No it doesn't. It remains perfectly clear.
The all powerful state murdered the child. When the government says you cannot have more than one child - they mean it... but they will TELL you things like: "What happened next is unlcear."
When the government says you cannot order a sugared beverage over 16oz. in New York City - they mean it...
Next, the government will tell you that you CANNOT have more than one serving of meatloaf.. or that extra slice of pizza. And Thanks to the Drone Power.....they won't even have to come to your house anymore, upsetting all your neighbors. It will be just a quick buzzing sound and POOF! Everyone's back in line!
Pretty efficient, hmm?
My avatar says it all.
Creeek Dog: I'm glad your son is OK. THere's nothing better in (my) life. Must have beeen a stressful time.
Incidentally, the dominant religion in China is atheism.
Too many liberals don't want to admit that, because they don't like the idea that people without God could be so heartless.
Religion in China overall based on different surveys[
Folk religions and Taoism (30%)
Buddhism (18%)
Christianity (4%)
Ethnic minorities indigenous religions (including Vajrayana and Theravada) (4%)
Islam (2%)
atheist (42%)
Religion in Rural China (2008 survey, excluding cities and autonomous regions)[1]
Folk religions and Taoism (31.8%)
Buddhism (10.85%)
Protestantism (3.54%)
Catholicism (0.39%)
atheist (53.41%)
People who aren't religious can be heartless. Same as people with religion can be heartless.
Religion isn't what makes people good. If the fear of God's wrath is the only thing keeping you from being a bad person, then you are inherently a bad person.
"because they don't like the idea that people without God could be so heartless."
Huh? So I bet history wasn't your best subject.............................................Seems every heartless occurances in history revolved around god's people, just ask Hitler who his god was.
Only thing wrong I find with that statement, is that the definitions of what you consider being a bad person can be challenged. What exactly are your standards? Are you comparing them to God's or your own?
Adolph Hilter was raised Catholic but quit after his upbringing whereby he then supported the Deutsche Christen church which rejected the Hebrew origins of the Gospels. Which goes to show you that not all religions are equal and not all of them come from God. He made up his own way, kind of like what a lot of atheists do.
I avoided buying Chinese products for years for this very reason.
When I went to buy my computer, I realized I no longer had a choice. They all came from China.
Tea Party Downgrade
You have been lied to re: overpopulation on this earth.
Do yourself a favor and just ignore Unhappy-1583758, as they obviously are about as clueless as clueless can be. They don't even know what the definition of "liberal" is.
BTW Unhappy-1583758 you moron, the majority of Democrats ARE CHRISTIAN.
Let me ask this..... How many children since abortion became, "a way of life," that would one day have found the cure for Cancer, Alzheimer’s, AIDS, finding food to feed everyone at no cost, un-restricted free energy, alternative fuel that actually burns and helps the environment.... So many beautiful lives destroyed, some by choice, some by agreeing with the idea that, "eveyone does it" and by the far the worst, force.
1SGFitzsWife4ID I agree there is something fishy about the whole story. But please, please come over in the morning and tell my 13 month old grandson he shouldn't be walking yet. Because today I spent the day chasing him around the house while he ran. It would be so much easier tomorrow if he would just understand he can't do that yet and would sit still. HAHA
AG said, "Imagine China's current population if they didn't have this policy. It's not the policy that's the problem, but the implementation of it. Frankly, we should all be thinking about how to humanely limit our population growth. How is our quality of life going to be in a hundred years with twice as many people on the planet? And you can kiss several more major species goodbye."
Actually, it isn't the size of the planet that's the problem. It's the global infrastructure implementation. There are vast amounts of open land available across the globe. Our society is set up to discourage farming and encourage city life. Everyone wants to be an executive. Nobody wants to work the land anymore. It doesn't pay enough, the taxes are too high, and corporations are controlling futures prices that makes it impossible to make a good living producing food. Can you beleive it? The 2nd most important resource for survival is unprofitable thatnls to the system.
Another one-child policy on NBS News? Once again the story fails to fully explain the one-child policy. Individuals who are only children can have 2 kids. There are other exceptions such as farmers who's first child is a girl.
As for the story of a child dying by being hit by a car. It is a sad story. But this happens every day in this country. We also have kids being hit by cross-fire in inner cities. But I don't see these stories printed with the same passion as anti-China news stories? Why is that?
Unfortunately this story and the many like it on NBC News and other American media outlets are nothing more than a new type/or quasi yellow-journalism.
It is implied that this happened on purpose.
exactly.
It's ridiculous to think it happened on purpose and even more ridiculous that the author implied this...to think the Chinese government is sending big "one child-policy" trucks to run over kids.
The fact that they have this law is pathetic enough, regardless of the reason behind it. If I were Chinese, I'd head for the nearest exit!!!
From the foolishness of your remark I can only think you are someone in the Chinese gov't.
what specifically was foolish?
Nothing was implied, it was left to the reader to infer that it might have happened on purpose, or 'accidentally on purpose.' We don't even know whose vehicle hit the child.
How generous of them. So your argument that because they allow exemptions in certain cases the murder of babies is ok? I support a womans right to an abortion but don't share the right of any state to murder babies whatever exceptions they allow. Drilling into the brain of a fully formed baby is murder whether they've taken a breath or not.
The majority of the "White" population in the US are not reproducing at the same rate as "Minority" populations in the US, as a result, we are fast falling to "Minority" status. We have much more resource availability to draw on than most other countries, so we could support a higher population than our current 350 million. China recognizes their limitations and have acted to keep their population at a manageable rate.
The issue at hand is that the world population is nearly seven billion people, over a billion in China alone. India and other countries in the region do not have controls in regard to population control, each also have a billion. Some don't have the land or the resources to support their population as it is...as upset as some of you are about the policies of the Chinese, should look at the overcrowding in most of their cities and rural areas, along with ours to determine the logic of your arguements.
We don't know what the circumstances were, since the article was pretty vague, but there is also a video of a two year old that is hit by a car and a number of pedestrians walk by without assisting, or even glancing at the child's body (also in China) it follows that many people who live there have become pretty cavalier about life, and the fate of children.
Is it pathetic of them to be thinking about the future? I would say it's noble of them.
They are sacrificing now in the hopes that their sacrifice will allow the world to remain livable for future generations.
Our farming practices are currently unsustainable. Unless population growth is humanely curbed by policies like China's, it will be inhumanly curbed by nature when hundreds of millions or billions of people starve to death because there isn't enough food to feed them or die of thirst because there isn't enough clean water to go around.
What they also don't say is that the religion in China is mostly that of an atheist. So you are right, this is what liberals would like to have in the US if they had their way.
So you believe that having an all knowing, all powerful God watching your every move is what makes you good person?
I'd say that makes you a bad person who is being forced to act good. Like a prisoner under the watchful eyes of guards.
@Unhappy-1583758
Likewise in Japan, but that's OK because they're our friends, right?
What kills me about these stories is when Americans want to discuss them like the Chinese government & Chinese laws are legitimate. They are authoritarian people, do you even know what that means anymore? Chinese people don't have rights, don't talk bout policies handed down by this regime like they're coming from big-hearted paternalistic people because they're not. The ruling party in China is a ruthless regime, the only reason they aren't even more heavy -handed than they are is because they're afraid of the 1.5 billion people they're trying to keep under their thumb
No, it would mean that you don't mind acting good when you are doing it for the benefit of God. A person who volunteers at a food bank doesn't do it because they are forced into it. Christians are not forced into following God.
McGEE: I suggest you look into Japan's past and its atrocities before you make such a bold statement.
Here's a question for ya'll. What is it that you actually want? A peaceful zombie like society that follows all the rules or a lawless society where its everyone for themselves or somewhere in between? What's the saying you can't have it both ways.
Do what I say and you'll be rewarded with eternal life in paradise. Don't do what I say and you'll be punished for eternity in hell.
That's not forcing?
More like this......
God says: let me stop you from screwing up your life......
You say: No, I want to do it my way......
God says: Then I don't want to be around you anymore.....
You say: Okay, fine.
How is that forcing?
Mandatory abortions coming to civilized country near you.
The really sad thing here is that I don't expect more out of these people.
And sad, too, is that is the only response from 'you people'. We don't stop assault weapons. We are 'these people' to the rest of the world.
We don't stop assault weapons. We are 'these people' to the rest of the world.
Posts as idiotic as that make me re-think my stance on abortion. Maybe we should go to Planned Parenthood's original mandate of eugenics to weed out the undesirable genes from society.
and what exactly do assault weapons have to do with forced abortions and 13 month old babies getting run over?
It is not the assualt weapon nor the Abortion "equipment" that kills, it is the Murderer behind the Assualt Weapon and The Abortionist behind the Abortion "equipment" that kills. Of course, Murderers and abortionist are one and the same.
The correlation is our lack of value for life in our communities. We say the Chinese have no value? I'm sure some don't. But there are parents, made to adhere to this policy, who give them the chance of adoption. Their society did not vote on the one-child policy. Don't condemn everyone as 'these people.'
Sad story but I have to chime in since the Assault Weapon was mentioned... If the father had owned an assault weapon or even an AR-15 for the matter! this may not have happened to Any Child in his village...
There I said it... and Again an AR is neither an Assault Weapon or an Assault Rifle.
Moo
Typical liberal, Taro. You are trying to change the subject. It won't work with me. The Godless autocrats that run China are beneath contempt.
Really, mooo? China is not the USA and doesn't have the same laws and policies as this country. If the father had owned an assault weapon and used it, he would be dead. His wife, kids and relatives would probably be dead along beside him. Grow up. Jeez!
Gregorovich, I have a problem with how China is run, too. But I also have a problem with those who deem all Chinese as 'these people'.
so in china break the law-we fine you, then we kill you. Great, thats just great!!!!!!!!!!!
"The Godless autocrats that run China are beneath contempt."
Huh? Well I guess if they don't follow your god, then they're all godless sinners.....................Just one more reason why you people make christians look even worst.
"look even worst", really? Good grief.
So by the "logic" of one child policy, since there was more than "one" person in the car, all the passengers need to be "fined". The Genocidal Henchmen Enforcers ensure yet another child is murdered to their glee. Death in genocides are just "statistics" with no value to human life.
So how do you figure that, Einstein? What does a one child policy have to do with the number of people riding in a car?
It is too "crowded" and "overpopulation" in the car, must be only one person inside one car policy. It is just as "logical" as the genocidal one child policy.
" So by the "logic" of one child policy, since there was more than "one" person in the car, all the passengers need to be "fined". The Genocidal Henchmen Enforcers ensure yet another child is murdered to their glee. Death in genocides are just "statistics" with no value to human life."
So I bet you never complain about traffic jams then.................or long lines at the DMV, just to name a couple of things from our gluttonous selves. Confucius says, if you feed two mouths today, you'll feed none tomorrow.
The people of China must rebel against the evil corrupt regime.
They did, and look what happened...........................
It is unfortunate about the run over baby. The dad dropped it probably.
The One Child Policy is a good thing. China would be starving to death, all their gains nulified if they had just kept breeding wall to wall people. Heck, the whole world needs a one child policy.
But the everyone would only want boys or something and our abortion rates would be astronomical, I'd pay the 6400.00 to keep my 2nd child.
So per Fawna, If you are not the 1st child, you can not make a comment here because you should have been murdered instead at a very young age.
One of the harsh realities of the national policy of one child per family in the People’s Republic of China is the diminishing value of females. The national policy of one child per couple plus the traditional place of the first born male as the provider for parents in their old age leaves many couples with a dilemma of what to do if their child is a girl. Some make the tragic decision to end her life and try for a boy. The result: there are far more young men now in their 20s in mainland China then women in their 20s in China now causing my social problem getting worse and worse as the One Child Policy Genocide (Gendercide) continues.
Actually it's more desirable in many cities in China to have girls than boys now. Because when a boy marries the parents of the boy have to buy a house for the new family. Also women are becoming bigger earners.
And again...the one child policy is misleading, you can have more than one child if your parents are single children. There are other exceptions to this policy. Not everyone pays $6,400. That "fine" is also misrepresented in this article.
What is misleading about the $6,400 fine? It was part of a second story in the article.
GWU, those "exceptions" are limited in scope. Hate to be the "2nd" child for the vast majority without the "exception", killed even before leaving the womb. "Easy" to be for "one child policy" when one no longer a child as it only happens to someone else. You are correct in the sense, grown women are becoming more "valuable" now because so many of their own gender were murdered a generation ago, so they become more "valuable" due to "lack of supply" from the gendercide. That is why so many young women of tribal minorities in northern Vietnam are kidnapped to China for "marriage" due to the lack of supply of Chinese women to Chinese men in their 20s
Kurt, I'd hate even more to be the fourth or fifth child who is starving to death because the country has become wall-to-wall people.
Easier said than done. It takes 2 years for the average Chinese wage earner to make $6400. That leaves nothing to live on in those 2 years.
Could you give up eating and paying bills for 2 years?
ElkMeado - the $6,400 fine is not universal. So just having a second child doesn't automatically mean a $6,400 fine as the article implies.
Kurt - I won't debate abortion with you because that wasn't really my point. Women are becoming more valuable, in part due to lack of supply, but also in part because China's economy is becoming more serviced based. If you looked at the US when we were moving from an industrialized nation to a serviced based economy you'd notice that there became more and more jobs available that women could preform just as well as men. So now women are earning more money and families also don't have to purchase a home for their new married daughter as they would be expected to for a newley wed son.
But there are a variety of reasons why having a girl is becoming more and more desirable. Not just as you stated b/c so many were murdered a generation ago.
Cassandra, most 4th & 5th children in the USA or the world are "not starving". as for "wall to wall" people, Western China is so remote in places far removed from "wall to wall" people. Notice, those that complain about "wall to wall" people always want OTHERs to be murdered rather than "volunteering" themselves to make it less of a "wall to wall" people.
GWU, it is true GROWN women are more "valuable" due to Gendercide policy starting a generation ago. In China and Vietnam (2 child restriction policy), they still kill the girls in far far greater numbers than boys once the gender is determined on the Sonogram.
http://www.pinkpagodagirls.com/ < Help stop the Gendercide in China and Viet Nam
Kurt,
The recources in the US can support our population, since our population is less than half of what it is in China, or India, or Bangladesh. The only limitations on our being able to feed ourselves is the money people have to buy it.
Since a large portion of the population in China has to grow their own food and supply the populations in the cities, they are less able to support the huge numbers of people who live there. We supply a huge amount of food to China, Russia and others. Most of which, would have more than paid off our national debt if our politicians hadn't wiped the debts of those same countries.
Myself, I rather like the idea of requiring that people show evidence that they can afford to support a 2nd child before being allowed to have one.
Responsible people base their family size on what they can afford. But not everyone does.
Think of how much we could save in welfare payments, education, food stamps, health care, etc. by requiring this. Think of how our children could benefit, with smaller class sizes, more one on one attention in school and at home. Think of how they could GROW as productive people when they are given all the opportunities their talents warrant.
It's not that we should stop people from having kids, but just stop people from having kids they cannot afford.
Janine,
Don't forget about increased tax revenue. Eliminate the number of kids people have to claim deductions (since many of them get more money back then they ever paid) and suddenly you have a 2 fold effect. Less payments and more income.
"That is why so many young women of tribal minorities in northern Vietnam are kidnapped to China for "marriage" due to the lack of supply of Chinese women to Chinese men in their 20s"
Really? So where do you get your stories from? So there are millions of chinese girls in orphanages across china and yet these chinese dudes rather jump the border to some third world jungle to kidnap an uneducated tribal bride?
Spent time in China in the early 80's the government was ruthless about unauthorized children, the slaves were deathly afraid of consequences and rightfully so....medical was cut off first then food...then problem resolved when they died.....
Mandatory birth control here is the start of the "civilized" control of population...then in a few years you could see mandatory abortion.
That's true Scott, but I'd at least try to save up to have my second child if nothing else. /shrug
What an awful thing to happen. Wow. Don't mess with the Chinese.
As I understand it the ruling class and wealthy aren't held to this policy not that it's right regardless.
This is a civilized country?? I would say not-ready-for--prime-time-player would be more accurate! How barbaric! Just another brutish 3rd world gov't. I don't care how much economic success they are having, their policies are more like a totalitarian regime. Disgusting and the opposite of anything Democratic. I feel sorry for the Chinese people.....to have to live like that!
Catherine, "that hell" has become the most powerful, dominant country in the world, thanks partly to its one-child policy.
By that "logic", the USSR was also once a powerful, dominate country in the world, and yes it was still "hell" being a non-communists there as with China today.
http://www.politicalprisoners.eu/lao-gai-camps.html
http://factsanddetails.com/china.php?itemid=1646
Welcome to Chiina's Hell of Hard Labor Camps
Their prosperity is due to over 1 billion people that still earn a tiny fraction of any 1st world country. As their population ages that prosperity will vanish.
Damn those Chinese. I've never been to China before, but the hell with them anyway. We are a superior people.
How so Daniel?
@Cassandra, I am just curious. How many children do you have?
TFNJ,
I would start with technological and industrial design and engineering. The chinese (and asians in general) may obsess over manufacturing TV's, computers, etc.... but the truth is almost every technological breakthrough started in europe or the good ol USA. Follow the money and you will see that they only dominate those markets because of outsourcing or theft. Import vehicles may be great, but it wasn't an asian that conceptualized the design or mass production either (Henry Ford anybody?).
Stealing the intellectual property, reverse engineering it and selling it back to the place it originated is all too common with them.
We also had the nuclear bomb first though the germans weren't far behind and their scientists also contributed to the research.
Does that give you a good starting point?
you like China so much Cassondra you go live there and make the average wage of 4k per year for city dwellers or live in the country and live on $1.3k. You "may" have to give up a few of the luxuries you're accustomed to at that income level but you can have your one child to keep you company. Just don't get pregnant twice unless you can afford to give a couple years salary for the privilege
Dr. Alchemy: ++++ The Germans were ahead of us on the Atomic bomb. The problem they had was that we overran them before they could get it off the ground, so to speak. THEN, we imported some of their guys to help US finish the job and get thru the gate with it. Another irony (from the viewpoint of the German Government of the day.) Hitler could have won the war had Germany not have been SO PONDEROUSLY held down by the vast number of slaves---Jews & others___they had to guard. They would have won the war, had they had enough time to perfect their bomb. Had the German Jews not been disenfranchised and criminalized most of them would have been loyal citizens in the country of their birth as they were in Kaiser's war.
I would relent to have only one child rather than watch one be killed or aborted. It's a sick law, but as usual only the poor people have to pay the price. Not a nice place to live.
One more example of the Chinese government's gruesome human rights record. But the almighty dollar rules and US corporations will continue to do business with this murderous regime! WE even KNOW that they are building up their military for a future confrontation with the United States!!
Arent WE such a moral country!!!
For all the wringing of hands about china,s dominance in the future, this is an example of why America with all its problems is still the Greatest nation on the face of the earth. The achilees heel for china is the amount of people the have. Just as in our country during the industrial revolution, the people are flocking to the cities. With a Billion people, the country cannot sustain the demand for everything people have in the west. China is headed for BIG problems in the future with food, airpollution and cultural unrest. The BEAST in china is waking up and its called the little man in china.
China will be fine as long as ignorant spend-more-than-we-have nations such as the U.S. exist and need money. China owns us.
Well said LawGrrl0213...
Our achille's heel just so happens to be their biggest asset.
China owns a couple trillion of our debt which is just a fraction, the banks that invented our fraudulent money system "own" us, not China. Why are you people so misinformed
don't know why...they just force them to work in ther sweatshops at a very young age.....
This is a sad story that highlights the difficulties confronting the hominid species in controlling its population growth. The fact remains that unless the world's population growth is brought under control in a rational manner the consequences will be far more horriffic than these stories. It is a terrible dilemma we hominids face and is our single biggest survival issue. This is discussed at length in the article "Save Our Evolution". Are we to be like every other species and subject to the laws of evolution and the endgames associated with those laws? Or is our gift of an amazing brain and capacity for compassion enabling Hominids to transcend evolutionary laws? The jury is out and the deliberation is not going well for our survival.
This is nothing short of savage, brutal murder and our America is in bed with China! We preach civil rights and then look the other way when innocent children are brutally murdered by the Chinese government. We as a nation have literally sold our souls to the devil.
Law, I don't know about selling our souls...but we certainly do buy a lot of Chinese merchandise. In fact, I'll bet that many of the people declaring their outrage right now are wearing garments with labels that read "Made in China." Unless, of course, they aren't wearing anything at all.
Many innocent children were brutally murdered by the US government through legal abortions.
@Daniel - This is not an abortion issue, so don't go there.
But it IS an abortion issue Realistic. Do you think those 2nd pregnancies the Chinese can't afford just miraculously disappear?
It's an abortion no matter how you look at it. The methods may vary by the age of the fetus/child but the end point is still an aborted heart beat and life of a once living being.
Usually if they are born they just drill into the babies head and/or toss it in the garbage can. Back in the day they just tossed it over a wall where it couldn't be seen.
when you have "free trade" with people who aren't free you inevitably risk bringing yourselves down to their level. That is what the corrupt politicians don't want you to think about. They are content to drag us down into the muck of living under an authoritarian regime with the majority living in poverty like our favorite trading partner just as long as they get to sit on top of the heap
Dr you are so correct...they did/do horrible things to their people, still do. We are headed in the same direction here...just wait and see
How about tying the tubes after the first child is born? This would eliminate any mistakes. If they later want a 2nd child then how about adopting a female baby? There are a lot of female babies available. The whole world needs a one child rule to reduce the world population to a sustainable level. Any thought of world peace and a quality of life for everyone must begin with a sustainable population level. I'd say something less than 2 billion. Once that level is reached then a two child limit would be OK. If you can afford it then perhaps three would be OK and if you can't afford it then only one should be permitted. But just letting people do whatever they want will continually lead us right where we are now. Continuous war, climate change and global warming, and just general misery over much of the planet.
Hear, hear James.
Most people in the US brag about how many children they have as if it were something noble. Meanwhile there are over 1 million children that are homeless...just in the US.
When will we wake up and change our attitudes on overpopulation? I fear that it will never happen and it will take a great purge from mother nature to set things right.
You guys must be the first born.
Not that it matters but I am the second born.
But it is an interesting speculation on your part. It must be burdensome for you to think that everyone has selfish agendas...or maybe that is a reflection of yourself.
I would gladly give my life if it meant a significantly better life for the rest of the world's population. That's what people do when they realize that the survival of humanity as a whole is so much more important than any one person's selfish needs.
Actually Realistic, I'm the 6th of 7 children. Children my father worked his butt off to support. Never once requiring welfare or foodstamps.
That's the issue right there. No one wants to STOP people from having kids. But REQUIRING that they support the kids they produce is not a bad thing.
As a matter of fact, while there are exceptions here and there, whenever the standard of living rises, the number of children go down. Without governmental meddling. The couples do it themselves. China and other countries should have concentrated on the standard of living, education, etc. and their population would have automatically gone down without all the weeping and knashing of teeth. Mao recognized this. "With every mouth comes a set of hands." But, before he was cold in his grave, China embraced their brave new world and reaped chaos.
I am beginning to think the policy itself isn't a bad idea. It is the implementation of the policy. The United States could benefit from this- just think where we would be in 20 years without all the extra welfare mouths to feed. Those that can AFFORD more children can have them. Sounds good
I think the whole world should be 1 child rule.
Were you the 1st born?
I think Utah should have a 1-child rule.
11 government employees show up to collect a fine? I guess that's one way to control unemployment - give everyone a useless government job.
p.s. These commies are a bunch of sick bastards.
I need more information
Repubs are just like the Chinese, trying to dictate families rights and who has a baby in America. Dictatorship is what the repubs are all about, it's either their way or no way; who cares about rape or health of mother, you'll have that baby!
Imnot..I don't want to Dictate who can and cannot have a child, but I DO think they should be RESPONSIBLE for supporting that child.
You have it ass backward...you dems, liberals are the chinks....next you pigs will be for mandatory abortion.
This is a Chinese report on Chinese news... they censor and hide everything they can, so quite honestly, you have to read this article with a grain of salt...
Gee, Its too bad that those Government Officials weren't one of those babys that was the extra child. Then how would their mother feel? Those ...... wouldn't be around today, now would they? The Chinese have no value for human life even if the pregnancy was by accident. It certainly doesn't sit well with our values and respect for human life.
The more people there are in the world, the less important any one individual becomes. It's not just China. And frankly, when it comes to human life, quality, not quantity, is more important, anyway.
abortion is a crime in the USA.
Daniel no it sure as hell ain't..approx 1.5 million babies killed ea year.
China has warehouses full of statutes. But they are enforced selectively by people.
So it's enforcement by people, not by systematic application of law.
If those 'officials' had gotten some money off the poor target, probably most of it would have gone into expenses: lunch, cigarettes, alcohol, and cash 'gifts' for each other.
China is as backwards as can be in its social demands. It is time to get rid of the communists and let the people actually run their own country!
Communists, Back? That's the one thing you can't accuse China of being!
the people are already running their own country.
Cassandra you are so smug in your obvious admiration of the Chinese government's policies. I hope you get your wish of living under an authoritarian regime some day. I hope it isn't in this country
Daniel you so far off base it is funny.
Gotta love all these posters saying that we need a one child policy here in America. What about a woman's right to choose? Anyone?!
We have something called police powers in this country. Where I live you are no longer free to have a septic tank. We now have grinder pumps that grind up your waste and send it along to a waste water treatment plant. And besides the initial cost of the grinder pump (either paid in full or put on installments on your property taxes) you also pay a monthly fee for processing the waste. So if something is for the health and safety of the community then that law is allowed. Try burning trash or heating with wood in most cities and you'll get cited and fined for air polution. In many areas you have to get your vehicle exhaust tested to cut down on air polution. So preventing overpopulation is for the health and safety of all of us. A woman still has a right to choose to have none or one. But after she chooses to have one then she's done. She needs her tubes tied. As recently as WWII we had both Germany and Japan trying to expand to accomodate their increasing populations. The world's population has more than tripled just in my lifetime. I'm about the same age as Al Gore. I'm hopeful that the vast majority of people will embrace this idea of a sustainable population limit. We are smarter than dogs and cats even though some don't act like it. That's why we need the one child rule world wide.
There are ways to encourage small families without attacking anyone's right to choose. The US tax code doesn't *have* to contain a $1000 annual credit for every child.
The people promoting the one-child rule are really taking a crack at welfare mothers who have multiple children. If this rule was equally applied to the middle class or the wealthy, they would be screaming about how unconstitutional our government is. Don't pay any attention to them.
It should apply to EVERYONE. For people who plan their family and can SUPPORT more than one child, fine. For those who can't, then one shoiuld be sufficient.
It would help our inner cities, help our job status. Help our health care. Help our schools. Everyone would benefit.
Haven't read the whole thread, but it isn't always about supporting their child, it's about not being rich enough to pay the fines the government in China asks for. If they lose a family member to jail, then there could be a real problem.
It's been shown time and again that allowing access to birth control and family planning results in a negative population growth over time. Women in first world countries attend college and take some years to get their careers started. They tend to have 0-2 children rather than a larger family. Also, what do you suggest people do if they accidentally become pregnant a second time? (It can happens, albeit rarely, when you have a tubal ligation.) Forced abortions fly against everything that pro-choice and pro-life individuals stand for. It's anti-woman.
it is high time to nuke the chinese government right off of the earth!!!!! what is the difference between china and nazi germany?!?! nothing!!!! kill them all and let god sort them out!!!!!a the chinese, north koreans, iranians, pakistani's, palisinians, well pretty much all muslims are not responsible enough to live on this earth with us! kill them all and take what they have as our own!!! we are the responsible party on this earth, "well some of us are anyways, we can leave obama and the rest of the puke democrats out"!!
Not that I'm advocating uncontrolled breeding, but that one-child policy doesn't seem to be doing much to check their population growth.