AC Roberts

Its time for you to come to china to see for yourself.

As far as increasing military spending, you leave out a few very important facts, #1 they have a lot of outdated equipment, some of it dating back to pre WWII and since their economy is doing so well, they can finally afford to upgrade without robbing the people. #2 They have reduced the size of their military by 1 million active soldiers, which did not fare too well with those affected.

You are always very selective in your posts, you leave out significant parts. Try some honesty.

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AC Roberts is nothing but a China hater and a liar. He is most likely paid to post by the traitors of Chinese people.

JimmyAmerica-1529517,

I supplied the references, so who is lying???

BTY - I live in Thailand and have seen first hand how the Chinese buisnessmen treat their workers... Also in Cambodia, Laos, Malaysa, Singapore, Phillippiness, etc, etc...

China's enviroment makes a third world country look good and your medical care has resulted in infecting hundreds of thousand of people with AIDS... The number one killer in China is AIDS & TB... Sure I will rush right over for a Holiday... NOT...

Jim Em,

Just replacing out-dated equipment. Ha! Ha!

China has increased their Militay Budget by DOUBLE DIGITS almost every year for the last TWO DECADES... see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7276277.stm

China is building 3 conventional aircraft carriers and a Nuclear-Carrier. They had ZERO...

China has more ballistic missile subs than the USA.. And are building MORE...

For a in-Depth review of the China Military see www.freewebs.com/jeffhead/redseadragon/

China Prepares for War While Obama Disarms. see http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/may/2010-11-13/china-prepares-war-while-obama-disarms

This AC person is well known for his China bashing tendency and his comments on China are laughable by those who have a profound knowledge of China but has negative impact on those who dislike China. In a way AC is rather successful in raising hysteria and/or fear of China.

So what if China increase her annual defense spending. China's defense budget of $90 billion pales significantly in comparison with over $700 billion of US. Bear in mind China's GDP increase at 10% per year and even maintaining the same percentage spending in terms of her GDP, her defense budget is bound to rise in real terms. China's defense only accounts for 1.4% of her GDP against 4% of US. Another scare tactic used by AC to lay claim China's growing "threat".

US currently has a fleet of 11 nuclear power aircraft carrier, and China has none. China only has one may be two ballistic missile sub in service and this agains pales with the nuclear submarine fleet of US. As to the notion that China is preparing for war, this is again laughable. In fact China is planning to trim her armed force from 2.5 million strong to 1.6 million according to the latest report. This is the best answer to AC assertion.

AC's continual distortion of truth cannot go on unchallenged.

Henrich von Dorf.

Here are pictures of the two different classes of China's ballistic missile submarines. see http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/2007/07/new_chinese_ballistic_missile.php

On SSN's China has six three Type 091 Han Class and three Type 093 Shang Class.

Read more: http://defensetech.org/2010/06/16/cno-roughead-disputes-china-sub-claim/#ixzz1KZo8v1iw
Defense.org

This reference is dated but even then...

According to the U.S. Navy, China currently has three nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines, six nuclear-powered attack submarines and 53 diesel-electric attack submarines.

This 62-sub fleet is expected to grow to about 75 by 2020 or 2025 as new submarines, including non-nuclear air independent propulsion vessels, are added to the fleet.. see http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4396071

And unlike YOU, I supply the references for the information presented...

AC Robertson

US has a fleet of 18 ballistic missile submarines consisting of 14 nos. SSBNs (each carries 24 Trident II SLBMs and 4 nos. SSGNs (each carries 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles). In addition US also has 58 nos. of conventional powered attack submarine. This contradicts with your assertion that China's ballistic missile fleet is larger than that of US ( your comment #1.3)

Your assertion that China is preparing for war is groundless given that China has announced planned reduction to her armed forces. Kindly provide any reference that you seem to so fond of quoting suggesting China is preparing for war or you just like to bad mouth China. Let me remind you China is rimmed by US military bases around her boarders and constantly being threatened by US deployment of carrier battle fleet to her back water (Yellow Sea). It is natural she wishes to enhance her defense posture.

AC,

China does not have a history of imperialism, with the exception of neighboring area's that they lay claim too. They are also smart enough to know that wars never turn out as expected (Vietnam, our two Iraq wars and Afghanistan, our recent examples) and that to occupy a country is fraught with unseen problems that the policy and war makers never thought of.

You keep thinking China is one thing, when what you should be doing is looking at us, the USA. We are more like what you fear than China is.

What would you say if China had a military presence in 130 countries, was involved in a three front international war, sold 1/3 of the world trade in arms, while the USA sells 3%, had the highest per capita incarceration rate in the world, had a legal system where every citizen makes at least one appearance in a court of law, a tax system that forces most all workers to report to the government, a debt system that encourages the citizens to spend and be a slave to debt and not save?

Your priorities are based on hate of a country you have very little understanding of. While you seemingly seem to think our sh---t doesn't stink. Not only do you have a selective memory, you are selective in your thinking of China, a country you have no understanding of, except what you read in the press.

Read the news critically, digest it instead of taking it at face value. If you would do that, you would be pisssssed off as hell that those who instigated our economic meltdown are walking around with bags of our money and got away with robbing millions of their future, even their homes and all their dreams. Then you may start to question what you we being fed about our supposed enemies, instead of being a tool of, what amounts too, a propaganda machine that is not so much controlled by government, but rather your biggest enemy, huge corporations that want you to live in fear, because it helps make them money and keeps you off focus.

Henrich von Dorf,

No references, your numbers prove NOTHING...

Jim Em,

China's claim to Taiwan... Still threatening invasion and is still making claims to islands and under-water resources...

China's occupation and genocide of Tibet... Still killing Monks and Tibet Citizens... Diverting water resources & mining 'rare earths'...

North Korea's little trip into South Korea, backed-up by China... Still officially at war and still supporting North Korea...

Laos, Cambodia, Mara-mar... All had China influencing/intemidating their Leaders... Millions have and are still dying...

North Vietnam's little trip to South Vietnam, back-up by China... China is still in disputes with Vietnam concerning Island and under-water resources...

China's genocide of the Muslim Uighurs... On-going riots, mass-killings, and arrest...

On-going territorial disputes with; Russia, Japan, Malaysia, India, Philippines, North korea, etc, etc...

And these are just the last 50+years...

The USA has been involved in foreign conflicts -

Korea - US Forces were attacked - They defended a trading partner, under existing treaties...

Vietnam - US Forces were defending a trading partner, under existing treaties. We will ignore LBJ's ESCALATION using false information...

Beirut, Mogadishu, & Africa - US Forces, ships, & Embassies attacked. US Forces, tucked tail and ran, under Clinton's & Carter's fine leadership...

Afghanistan - The USA was directly attacked and was defeating the people that supported the attackers. What Obama is doing now??? Political EGO... But China is buying the copper & rare earth resources, not the USA...

Iraq - The World was attacked by Saddam (Iran, Kuwait, the Kurds, and he supported numerous Terrorist attacks) and Saddam Violated numerous UN Sanctions... But China is buying the oil resources, not the USA...

Libya - Again Obama's Political EGO... The EU is buying the oil resources, not the USA...

The US Jails are over-flowing due to ILLEGAL drug dealers and Illegal immigrants. China does not have this problem because they just EXECUTE them. The latest figure show, China Executing more people that ALL the other Countries in the world, COMBINED... In 2006 it was 4x...

You state that you are from the USA but you do not us the world THE. Can you even say the word??? Hmmmmmm...

Concerning Executions - Is applied flexibly to a wide range of crimes, some of which are punishable by death in no other judicial system in the world. Economic crimes such as tax fraud have appeared routinely among the dockets of those receiving the death sentence, as have drug offences. Capital punishment in China can be imposed on crimes against national symbols and treasures, such as theft of cultural relics and (before 1997) the killing of pandas.^[7] Corruption, property crimes such as theft, and smuggling gold, silver or other precious metals are also amongst the 68 crimes that are eligible for the death penalty in China.

Capital punishment is also imposed on inchoate offenses, that is, attempted crimes which are not actually fully carried out, including repeat offenses such as attempted fraud. The recidivisticnature of the offenses, not their seriousness per se, is what is adjudicated to merit the capital sentence.

Executions of foreigners in China use to be rare. But the Chinese criminal code automatically stipulates a mandatory death sentence for smuggling heroin^[10]in quantities more than 50 grams. These and other convictions have become common among foreigners...

In 2009, Amnesty International estimated 1718 executions took place during 2008, based on all information available. Amnesty International claimed that the figure was likely to be much higher.^[9]

The Dui Hua Foundation estimates that China executed between 5,000 and 6,000 people in 2007, down from 10,000 in 2005.^[1] This compares to the USA; 2008 - 37, 2007 - 42, and 2005 - 60, (year - number of people were executed)... see http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions-year

Ac roberson

The figures are not mine, but excerpt from Wikoipedia which is believed to be more authoritive and accurate than your imaginary figures and your quoted websites as reference are either non-existent or cannot be accessed.

The numbers prove what you quoted is totally untrue and out of context, therefore your comment lacks creditability. PERIOD.

Henrich von Dorf,

I checked your references, they do not work. Opps, you did not give any...

Though you did reference going to Wikipedia. ha! Ha! Sorry to bust your bubble, but even grade school children in the USA know that wikipedia (Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit) is a user supported web site. Not technical researchers, their references are not up-to-date or even valid most of the time... Justpure conjecture with a reference from somewhere and usually dated almost a decade prior... Just like your Wikipedia - 'Chinese subamarines' - Revised 23 October 2001.

If you want real time data, you go to the Industry News sources and current technical papers.

Sorry, your China Webmaster will not let you access the REAL Web. Thailand does the same - with site Censorship. But any tech savvy person knows how to defeat, these Grade School fire walls...

BTY - I did blow the numbers on 'Balistic Missile subs', It should have read TOTAL Numbers of subs... Multiple windows and displays will cause a $crew-up every now and then. But, that is why I include the references...

AC, hold on for a moment, you stated Taiwan?

You are really behind the times, they have patched up their differences, they are trading, tourism, cultural exchange, technology exchange, business partnerships, diplomacy, etc. Where they differ is Taiwan believes they are sovereign, China thinks they are a province of China. In time, those two issues will be ironed out. In the mean time, Taiwan goes after US military dollars and China screams foul. But they keep on making all the rest work. Your selective reasoning is borderline criminal and amateurish.

You are living in the past, I can address most of your issues, but you won't pay attention. You just hate China and you are no better then a yellow bellied China basher.

Sorry dude, but you've tanked any vestige of credibility with your inane ramblings and hate. Not even the ultimate cold warrior, Henry Kissinger would agree with you.

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18 Apr 2011 - (China Military News cited from CNA) -- A lawmaker proposed Monday that Taiwan send its marine corps back to the South China Sea to strengthen its position in the regional dispute over claims to the area.

"With the involved parties stepping up their rhetoric and dialogue, the issue could flare up sometime in the future. Taiwan should increase its military presence in the region to gain more leverage," said ruling Kuomintang (KMT) Legislator Lin Yu-fang.

Six countries -- Taiwan, China, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and the Philippines -- claim all or part of the 3.5 million-square-kilometer sea area, in which lies the Spratly Islands, the Paracel Islands, the Pratas Islands, the Macclesfield Bank and the Scarborough Shoal. see http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/taiwan-lawmaker-proposes-sending-marines-back-to-south-china-sea.html

13 Apr 2011 - Despite the easing of tensions, Beijing still considers the island (Tawain) part of its territory to be taken back by force if necessary. see http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110413/wl_asia_afp/taiwanchinapoliticseducation

29 Jul 2010 - The last time Taiwan voiced its sovereignty over the South China Sea. see http://www.china-defense-mashup.com/taiwan-advised-to-be-aggressive-on-south-china-sea-dispute.html/

Jim Em - I guess not everyone received your memo...

AC

You don't know what propaganda is, obviously you like living in your self imposed vacuum. Think of the arms industry, the one were WE SELL 1/3 of the world wide trade in arms and China sells 3%. Think 71 years and the threat of China invading Taiwan under far worse political climates that has never materialized. Think.

Good luck dude, with a selective mind like yours, you're going to need it.

Jim Em,

Propaganda, is what you and Henrich von Dorf are trying to blow-up peoples A$$.

Fortunately with the Internet, it is becoming harder for people to be fooled...

I am quite sure Nepal will have a positive influence on the world if you clean up Nepal's act. I wish you the best in cleaning up Nepal.

Great post. 1720 tibet is officialy a province of china. So Tibet has only been a province of China for less than 300 years, a small fraction of the 5000 years of history of China. And this only last till 1728 'tibetan pro-chinese rule tibet', not the Qing Dynasty. So China's rule of Tibet only lasted 8 long years out of the short 5000 year history of China. Therefore, Tibet is not a historical territory of China, and certainly not for thousands of years.

And you, as typical Chinese liars would do, forgot to tell that after 1911, Tibet was ruled by Dalai Lama, not the Chinese government, till 1959 invasion of Tibet by the Chinese Communist Party.

I think you have just proved that Tibet has been and should be an independent country.

My question amongst all of this political ire is why can such a "noble and honorable" country such as China not answer to the question of what was written in stone during the tsuklakhang treatise that was dis-established by what a true Chinese even of modern times would call a foriegn dictator controlling thier country (kublaikhan ring any bells?).

this ancient document, no doubt destroyed by now as an "artifact of superstitious times" by the PArty, states plainly that between china and tibet there was an agreement to borders and soveriegnty seperate of each other that was instagated by the then emperor of china and leaders of tibet as a peacefull solution rather than invasive or even alterior in motive as many statements of modern governance have been on both sides of the fence.

can any one have honor and integrity that spans centuries as so often said with hsuch proof of dishonesty? IT was WRITTEN IN STONE as law and has been ignored ever since without HONOR.

Tibet is a country of 2.9 million people, that is it, only 2.9 million.

So if Tibet is not ruled by China, who then? Tibet itself. Given the history of the region and history in general, I'd say some country, other than Tibet would.

Also putting other issues in perspective, Tibet has not always been a kind wonderful country that so many seem to think it is. The ruling Monks treated the vast majority of people like cattle with very little, if any regard for human rights.

Fast forward to now, Tibetens have more say in their lives than anytime in their history, that they are slowly being acclimated to ruling their own province, under the same system that Hong Kong has today, One Country, Two Governments. While Beijing has the ultimate authority, Hong Kong is independent from China.

I have heard it said, if the west would butt out of Tibetan affairs, that they would be much closer to that. But the West has a very poor track record in Tibet, from groups and individuals stirring up trouble to clandestine activities by western governments, that foreigners, like myself, can not visit there except with a licensed guide. The only area in China like that (expect with the recent crackdown in area's of Sichuan Province till this blows over) which I am not free to travel too. I have also heard it said that many Tibetens wish the west would butt out too. Put it another way, suppose China and other Asian countries was coming in stirring up trouble on our Indian Reservation? Doing the same on Guam, Puerto Rico, American Somao and others? All with little understanding of our culture, traditions and history, all with making broad assumptions, all with funneling money and support to a very small class of instigators? Sounds like Tibet to me.

expansionist rhetoric will not obscure the truth that opportunists with armies will always co-opt the surrounding countries in gainfull and corrupt disruption if it makes them a tidy profit in resources that are not truly theirs..... familiar in the west when the Louisiana purchase was made, seen once more in 1959 to gain political sway over an otherwise harmless neighbour that until then had no trouble with being a suzerainty. once again as I have stated before the truth has been "written in stone"(tsuklakhang treatise written on the tsuklakhang pillar) but niether will honor it nor will they be able to at this point

It's not the first time a country has dishonoured a treaty, and it won't be the last.

You may feel your reasoning is just, but if you spend some time in the real world you'd know just how naive it sounds.

Besides, there are much more pressing matters to worry about, like the poor Palestinians, why don't US make those people happy first, then they can do something about Libya, and then Somalia, and then Iraq, and then Afghanistan, etc.

Tibet has a history of at least 1300 years of independence from China.

In 821 China and Tibet ended almost 200 years of fighting with a treaty engraved on three stone pillars, one of which still stands in front of the Jokhang cathedral in Lhasa.

The treaty reads in part: 'Both Tibet and China shall keep the country and frontiers of which they are now possessed. The whole region to the East of that being the country of Great China and the whole region to the West being assuredly the country of Great Tibet, from either side there shall be no hostile invasion, and no seizure of territory… and in order that this agreement establishing a great era when Tibetans shall be happy in Tibet and Chinese shall be happy in China shall never be changed, the Three Jewels, the body of Saints, the sun and the moon, planets and stars have been invoked as witness.'

In 1240 when China was militarily conquered by the Mongols, the Tibetans and the Mongols established the historically unique “priest patron” relationship, also known as CHO-YON. The Mongol aristocracy had converted to Buddhism and sought spiritual guidance and moral legitimacy for the rule of their vast empire from the Tibetan theocracy. As Tibet’s patrons they pledged to protect it against foreign invasion. In return Tibetans promised loyalty to the Mongol empire. The Mongol empire ended in the mid-14th century.

In 1639, the Dalai Lama established another CHO-YON relationship, this time with the Manchu Emperor, who in 1644 conquested China and established the Qing Dynasty.

In 1911 the CHO-YON relationship came to its final end with the fall of the Manchu Dynasty.

In 1912 Tibet formally declared its Independence. Tibet governed itself without foreign influence, conducted its own Foreign affairs, had its own army and operated its own postal system. Tibet sovereignty was recognised by its neighbours as well as by Britain, with whom Tibet entered into a series of treaties regarding travels and trade.

In 1949 Communist China invaded Tibet.

From 1951 to 1959 China broke every promise that she made towards Tibet, resulting in the Tibetan uprising against China in March 1959. The Dalai Lama and 100,000 Tibetans escaped into exile. From that day onwards Tibet affectively became an occupied country.

From a legal standpoint, Tibet to this day has not lost its statehood. It is an independent state under illegal occupation. Neither China’s military invasion nor the continuing occupation by PLA has transferred the sovereignty of Tibet to China. China's claims are based solely on the alleged subjection of Tibet to a few of China’s strongest foreign rulers in the thirteenth and eighteenth centuries.

reference - Dr. Michael C Van Walt Van Pragg (International Lawyer) The Status of Tibet.

In 1949 Communist China liberated, note liberated not invaded, Tibet and set free ordinarlyTibetans from the cruelty of serfdom imposed on them by dalai and his feudal clique.

Today Tibetans live a better life with Tibetan culture and launguage fully preserved and protected. Onlya small element of diehard dalai followers are plotting the return of dalai rule has caused trouble and disturbance in the land by incite violence and attack the authority and local Han Chinese.

Henrich von Dorf,

Just like the 'White Man' liberated, note liberated not invaded, the American Indian or the slaves from Africa...

Thanks for the laugh...

unfortunately the native American Indians have lost their cultural identities and languages as a result of being absorbed by the "white man". Are there any school in US where native Indian language is taught?

Your analogy of the two different situation indeed makes one laugh.

Retrospective: Language Instruction in Native American Communities
By: Dr. Catherine Collier (2008)

As boarding schools were phased out and reservation based school systems were taken over by the tribes, many tribes instigated language restoration or language maintenance programs depending upon the relative strength of the native language within their communities. Examples of this are the programs developed in Colorado (Ute), Arizona (Hopi, Navajo, and Apache) and New Mexico (Pueblo, Zuni), South Dakota (Lakota), Washington (Lummi, Lushootseed), Oregon (Goshute, Paiute) and in the Great Lakes region (Oneida, Chippewa, and Ojibwa) to name just a few..

In Hawaii, the Kamehameha School continues a long tradition of instruction and support in native Hawaiian language and culture. In Alaska, as local public schools took over from Bureau of Indian Affairs schools, many continued to provide instructional support in the local Alaskan native language along with English as a second language instruction. In a joint project with the University of Alaska, Kuskokwim Community College, and the Lower Kuskokwim School District, we were able to continue preparing bilingual education personnel, developing and publishing bilingual materials, and implementing a primary Yup'ik program begun by Bureau of Indian Affairs schools in the Yukon Kuskokwim region. Through this project, we provided college degree track courses for Yup'ik speaking community members in 15 villages in the Yukon Kuskokwim region of Alaska. A sister program in Chup'ik was started in the northern part of the region. When I left Alaska in the early 80's to finish my doctorate, we had over 300 Yup'ik and Chup'ik speaking villagers in the teacher preparation program.

At the Alaska state Bilingual Multicultural Education and Equity conference this year, I was honored to see many of my Alaska Native graduates still teaching, working with bilingual programs, and making presentations about instructional strategies for diverse learners. Of particular note was a presentation about a charter school in Bethel, Alaska, with a K-5 dual language Yup'ik program which has met its Annual Yearly Progress goals under No Child Left Behind for two years running. These exemplary programs for native Hawaiian, American Indian, First Nations, Alaska Native, and other indigenous populations show what is possible to achieve in modern school systems and provide guidance to our efforts to continue to improve the graduation rate of our native students.

This article was written for Colorín Colorado by Dr. Catherine Collier, a leader in the fields of cross-cultural, bilingual, and special education. Dr. Collier currently is the director of CrossCultural Developmental Education Services (CCDES).

If China stops crying about oppressions from Japan and western countries, we would believe what you said a little better. The cry baby doesn't rule anything, not even its wet diaper.

Note that Bill-402395 pretended to be a Chinese to create hatred between Americans and Chinese. It is devil.

I live in China, and love China quite a lot.

Bill-402395 is a child who loves hate and anger. That's easy to see.

BUT he is the same as the Chinese people who comment on English websites in China. They want the 'foreigners' to look bad. They will lie about anything, just to further their agenda of hate.

Therefore, I don't think this is an issue of China vs. the West.

I think this is angry Western baby-men vs. angry Chinese baby-men. They look like men, but act like crybabies.

One day, if they grow up, I hope and pray that they see that life is not about selfishness and hate.

yssf,

You are quite wrong. More. Dead wrong.

1. Chinese is not going through industrial revolution anything like the Americans, or any part of the civilized world. When Americans went through the industrial revolution, the private sector was in control, and it was a free market. China is different. The government is in control, the private sector is just doing what they think the government wants them to do. The market is controlled by the government and "State Owned Enterprises". Normal market mechanism is not in place, leading to exploitation of the weak, wide spread and accepted corruption, exploitation of the people for the riches of the government, etc.

2. Chinese people, at least the Hans, which constitute over 90 percent of China's population, did commit genocide, on other non-Han people in the region. Han people occupied only a small portion of the Huanghe valley when it started. The rest of current territory of China was occupied by dozens of other nations. Most of these dozens of nations were either completely killed off by Hans, or forced to migrate elsewhere. Some migrated as far as Europe. People in "Central Asia", formerly of USSR, lived mostly in Gansu, Inner Mongolia, Xinjiang, Qinghai area were forced out. There were genocides as recently as 1700's, during the Qing Dynasty.

The Hans invaded Korea three times in the 600's AD, and twice in 700's AD, killing thousands.

But none of these killings and genocides were as cruel as Hans doing it to themselves. Just during the Qing dynasty, of about 300 years duration, there were several "civil wars" of Chinese killing Chinese, when tens of millions of Chinese died. The high number of fatality was due to the practice of killing everyone in a city when a city is sacked.

If you read Chinese history, especially the military ones, you will see that Chinese not only commit genocide, enslaves other people, and killing their own at a furious rate.

But we have to get the oil field so that Chinese can get the oil from Iraq. May be we can use "The Chinese made us do it" as an excuse for the invasion into Iraq ?

You have to excuse Jim Em. He is just making a living. Every post here means a 0.1 yuan for him from his masters.

Tibet is not inside China, so what China is doing in Tibet is everybody's business.

The native people didn't tell us to go back, and we also say those things were bad. Will China admit to us that what they are doing are bad ? Are we still throwing natives in jail or execute them ? Do we still move white people onto their reserves ?

Ouaiii. The native people didn't ask you leave, they welcome you, donate you, and then devote their fat land and their scalp. You are not still executing them because they excist quite few already.